He was my hero. Osho, the man who showed the way by conceiving life in simple terms; a little dance, a little music, a little playfulness, a little laughter and a little love. His ideas on individualism, life, reality as being of a single divine essence, sexual liberation, religion appealed to millions of people.
Traces of Freud, Gurdjieff, Nietzsche & Lawrence in his teachings made him more appealing. The core of it stressed on the idea of every individual thinking of himself/herself and living free!
So yes, I was in awe of him. Completely in love until recently when I read his views on same sex relationships. And now I am left hurt and cheated.
According to the man who taught us to follow fearlessly all that comes from within, says;
“Homosexuality has arisen because we have deprived people of heterosexuality.
Homosexuality was born as a religious phenomenon in the monasteries because we forced monks to live together in one place and nuns to live in one place, and we separated them by great walls. Homosexuality is bound to happen. It happens only in monasteries and in the army, because these are the two places where we don’t allow men and women to mix. Or it happens in boys’ and girls’ hostels; there also we don’t allow them to mix. The whole phenomenon of homosexuality is a by-product of this whole stupid upbringing. Homosexuality will disappear from the world the day we allow men and women to meet naturally.” [Osho.com]
Homosexuality a social disease!!!
You see for me there had been no other like him. Here was a man who understood the value of playfulness and wit. But pray tell me, wasn’t he the one preaching about breaking one’s conditionings and moving beyond them? Wasn’t he the one who asked us to look at sex as a natural phenomenon, a fun thing to happen and not as a means for procreation? Then why attach so much significance and seriousness to the sexuality of homosexuals? Why deprive us of this beautiful experience by calling it a disease?
He believed that two women in a relationship can’t have a very great love affair. It will remain on plain ground; deprived of heights and depths. People who are afraid of heights and depths will find it very comfortable, convenient. Hence the homosexuals are called “gay.”
They look gay; they look happier than heterosexuals. It is bound to be so, because two women can understand each other far better than a man and a woman. Two men can understand each other far better because they are of the same type, but the spark will be missing. Yes, certain gayness will be there, but not great poetry, not great romance — mild. It will not have adventure, surprises: rather safe, secure, more understanding, less conflict, less nagging.
And here I am shaking my head in disbelief. Desperate to prove him wrong. Really are these two really the same guy?
My experience tells me that it is full of moons and white lilies of a sunny morning. It is poetic, vibrant, romantic, deep, playful, breezy and crazy. It isn’t a relationship between me and my girlfriend but my way of relating to love. This is my playfulness. And God it feels so right!
To accept myself as gay has been the greatest transformation to have happened to me. And like me, to many. So my dearest Osho, our love affair now ends.
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Hmm.. i have never come across, this idea of osho….. Mind you, i was once a fanatical fan of him, right when i came across him(my early teens). i still like his stories and jokes, but, i have crossed the stage,where i jump up whenever i see a new(to me) book of his and buy it. Now i pick it up read a few random pages and then go by instinct. Neither do i go around recommending him to anybody and everybody..
Having said all of that, i have to say this(partly in defense of him , but mostly as a question for each and every one of mankind).
“Causality and reason: Aren’t these two, the safety valves, we all use? Haven’t these two been proven to give rise to exaggerated statements, which the next generation, comes up and promptly rebels against and eventually, prove to be incomplete oversimplification?”
P.S: Osho, was a rebel, in an age, where sex was a taboo, in all of the society around him. He was a warrior. But, don’t all warriors make black-white assumptions? Infact, i would say, those assumptions are necessary, to act in a timely manner.
Chicklet, I haven’t yet come across a philosophy or religion that articulates everything perfectly. Just like there are no perfect people, there are no perfect philosophies. Even great men have their quirks. So, take from Osho the ideas that are interesting and dismiss the parts that make no sense.
I agree with Bride. And anyway, we can only sense and experience our own truth and completeness internally. Seeking validation from outside, from great persons or from popular philosophies…will have no meaning unless the basic truth is lived and experienced in the depths of our soul. Of course everyone has a different truth…and that is what makes the struggle of trying to understand and get along so beautiful – how does it matter who is on the two sides of the struggle? Lovers, spouses, siblings, neighbours, communities or nations…..
I agree w/ the Bride. Although, if one doesn’t have anything nice to say, better to not say anything at all. Acceptance of our gay friends/family/strangers is the fight of our generation. It would help if “prominent” people took at step boldly and publicly.
Oh! So it was my stint in the army & the monastery that made me a lesbian. Finally an explanation! Wait…!
Have to agree with The Bride, even though homophobic proclamations by seemingly enlightened people, really aggravate me. Even the Dalai Lama has said some homophobic things, but I cannot bring myself to hate him.
Who can not like Dalai Lama? He is just so super cute. 😀
I agree with you guys; take what’s good for your system and chuck everything else. Simple.
The difference between the Dalai Lama and people like Osho is that the Dalai Lama changed his views on homosexuality after he was approached with facts and a logical argument that convinced him that same sex relations are not “sexual misconduct”, the only rule in Buddhism outside of monastic living that I’m aware of.
I guess even he was only a human being (intelligent but flawed). I didn’t know about this either. Thanks for bringing it to our notice. It’s sometimes difficult but ultimately liberating to see the flaws in the thinking of those we look up to. It makes us realize the value of thinking for ourselves. Peace and good luck.
I have also been impressed by Osho’s writings and had recently, very briefly, read his ideas on homosexuality. And like you, Chicklet, I was also rather shocked to read his views. Somehow I didn’t expect such conservative views and silly explanations from him. Nonetheless, one has to be happy about the useful things he has given us.. and leave the rest I guess..
@Chicklet: I can understand how it must feel to find someone we look upto shatter our reality. I did notice that you were in awe of Osho while reading some article of yours. I don’t quite remember which one yet. Anyways, I did know about Osho’s views on gays. This is because I was at Pune this past winter and while hanging out with a friend at Koregaon Park we were sharing our ideas and views about Osho. We found it surprising too that a person who speaks to liberate spiritually through body would say something to the effect of calling homosexuality a perversion. I feel terribly terribly bad I did not share it with you earlier. I was of the opinion that may be I had not read enough about him to make a judgement. Sorry hon!
@Anand i believe that reason possesses the faculty of causality only in the mind. Life is what it is, or has been, or will be. Reason cannot be the permanent condition of all actions of the human will, right ? And we all think/ thought that Osho was an intelligent man. someone who knew no before or after and enjoyed freedom of action and speech. I learnt a distinction from him on causality long time back. I am not what I do BUT I do what I am. And on the basis of this, I believe that he wasn’t an absolute truth unto himself.
Ps: one does make assumptions but a man who has such a mass appeal is responsible for everything he utters. No ?
@The Bride You’re right. No one should blindly accept the conclusions made by others; no matter how enlightened they may seem. Its our path and we got to walk it our way! 🙂
@la vida loca & @Broom He often said “ All what I will say, I will deny afterward”. It hurts that he just never got to the point to deny his views on homosexuality.
@IdeaSmith & @deepseas Maybe he was just having too much fun 🙂 must be his idea of a cosmic joke.I just wish he knew how awesome gay sex is. And that the whole phenomenon of homosexuality has got nothing to do with sex or gender per say.
@Rashmi thankyou. I guess, the AIDS phobia got translated into homophobia at the commune. During my last stay at the commune, I didn’t realize that there was so much against gays. I did meet a few who were homophobic but I related it to their personal beliefs than to the teachings of osho on the same. What makes me sad is that the queer community can’t seem to connect to the commune anymore. It was one place in the world where I felt I could be just me; I guess not anymore!
You obvoiusly haven’t read enough of him.. Osho himself stated that he never bothers contradicting himself, because only a person who is capable of committing mistakes is a growing, maturing person. In any case he claims several times that he is not a man of words, not a man to be qouted but one of meditation, of inner silence. All his discourses, his talks do not to teach you anything, but bring you closer to experience of meditation.
“The more intelligent a person is, the more he has to contradict himself, because each moment his vision is growing, each moment his insight is deepening, each moment brings new facts, new truths.” -Osho
@Fake Name: Just because someone posts a disclaimer about not being a man of their word, it does not make their homophobia ok.
The ideas and philosophies of Osho are merely “bait” to draw someone in the way a spiders web traps its prey…or put another way just because the cheese gets the mouse killed does’nt mean the cheese is’nt real. Osho studied various religions for years and had a great wealth of “spiritual truths” to pull from. His comment on homosexuality reveals how shallow his own spirituality was. He was nothing but a wiley but lowly con man just like Gurdjieff.
This is not the worst thing Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) said about gays. There’s a cassette tape I bought at Butala Emporium in Jackson Heights, Queens, where he bloviates for an entire 60 minutes about homosexuality. He says that gays should all be quarantined on an island (because of AIDS). He says that gays can ejaculate, but they can never have a real orgasm. (What!?)
He goes on and on in a mocking, nasty, deprecatory manner for the length of the tape.
i dont believe osho condemts gays he does not judge anybody his outlook and experience with love and relationships are just diferent from yours there is nothing he said about homosexuality that isnt tru maybee what he said is incompleet and he dont know al the facts about it why would your love for him end with that ?he is only human …..Energy always flows between people but to make energy you need two oposites …
Hello,
He didn’t condemn gays in my interpretation. In some cases he says very positive things about it, sometimes he seems to condemn it. Why? because probably he was using different methods to help different people in transformation.He also makes a distinction between “natural” homosexuals and those who adopted it as a habit.Naturals cannot drop it, and they don’t have to since it’s not their second nature.They just have to accept it with gratitute.
Dear mm, what do you mean by “To make energy you need opposites”? I’m not sure but I can guess…anyway, I’m no expert but male and female poles are in each individual, the meeting of outer male and female help the inner meeting – but that’s so basic only for heterosexuals, queers work differently and I hope, some day we’ll have real teachings about it..
Dear Chicklet !
I know how you feel, I’m also a lesbian and it can be extremely painful when in spiritual people condemn it, such confusion arises…and I think it must be because we still condemn it ourselfes?..otherwise I think it wouldn’t hurt so much. For me it’s particulary hard to “deprogram” condemnation since I knew I was gay since the age of five.
Here’s a link, Osho collection for queer people:
http://swamipremarpana.blogspot.com/
I wish you all the best!
bogi
Dearest Bogi,
Probably you’re right. This was just one of his ways to stop. to give some attention to what he was saying, to go beyond his words … BUT when you read stuff such as homosexuality has come into existence because of repressive measures; it disturbs your equanimity. i have been reading him since the age of 9 and every time i was lost, i found myself in his words, his teachings.
and no, i don’t condemn it. i think its perfect to be gay 🙂 but yes, tired of being discriminated. and therefore such homophobic statements hurt. he still has a mass appeal. he should have chosen his words carefully.
thank you for your comment. you gave me a new perspective. i find myself in a let go space.Thank you.
and yes, i will definitely go through the blog.
much love.
Inri Cristo of Brazil (the reincarnated Christ) expresses the same views as Osho on a variety of subjects but states that we should not judge homosexuality as what a person chooses to do in his or her life is up to the individual. http://www.inricristo.org.br
Dear mm,
love ended may be coz i loved him for a reason. and when i realized that the reasons were fake; everything disappeared.
wish i could share my experience of being with his sannyasins and their homophobic views…
Osho was a mystic. he has/had many lovers. aren’t they the ones who claim to embrace all and everything ??
True ‘Energy always flows between people but to make energy you need two opposites’ but as @Bogi says both(masculine & feminine) exists equally in all. Energy can only flow (rather overflow ) where there is love, then why be stuck on gender ??
i guess, we were all meant to find few truths ourselves. Thank you for writing in. really!
Dear Chicklet!
I’m really glad if you feel a bit more at ease.. 🙂
and yes, I know that it seems to be heartless to say such words, words that can be said by any malevolent homophobic person. I read him since I was 14, and was also a hero to me, and I think I went through hell when I first came across condemning things he said about queers.
But I just couldn’t dismiss him as a master, and I think that there isn’t always a truth in the words he says but there is always truth in his intention. I think he never was afraid to say the most untrue thing, good or bad, just to see people transform, and be able to drop very deep habits and wounds
I like what you said – we were all meant to find some truths ourselfes 🙂
All the best to you,
bogi
Hello,
I forgot last time to post one more related link.
Hope it gives you more information in case you’re still interested! 🙂
All the best to you
bogi
That is not philosophy nor public speech , it’s insights ! it’s religion , it goes deeep and deep , Dont rationalize The Beloved !
Osho is absouletly right , He’s light and truth , his speech doesnt fit you , you react ! That’s natural ! But he’s right
Im homsexual 🙂 Looking for spiritual growth 😉
Thanks Yousse for your comment! For me sometimes (most of the time haha) there are too many wounds,interpretations to feel something of the truth.
I’m often get on a trip (one of my favourite trips of all) about being gay and still looking for spiritual growth, so it feels good to see someone being a bit more intuitive about it! 🙂
Nowhere I found Osho had spoken of not allowing to love, respect, accept, the other including the same sex. He´s simply pointing out the possible reasons for occurance of homosexuality in our “dark” past societies. The roots of it are deep enough, so it´s probably not very easy to accept such a view, especially by a homosexual. I can also understand your dismay, because something very sacered so close to your center has been shaken. To my understanding Osho was the one who shoock intentively to create the grounds for your/our growth, he was/is very succesful at it. No progression is possible without a stir. Obviously every one and everything is to be accepted for what he/she/it is. Nature is such that is bound to procreate and give new life. To this day we know only of heterosexual human procreation. Nowhere it´s said it won´t be possible for homosexuals in the future, who knows? Anyway freedom of being exist for everyone. My question to you is what do you need the other for, no matter what sex? You are free to love anyone/anything? You need not posses like, she/he is mine only, my love only, my property? Every one is just his own and at the same time of the whole (of everybody/everything). At least that´s how I fell. You can drop Osho&his thougts/beliefs, it´ll be no harm, his job has already been done. Remember love&hate are two ends of the same energy, it´s up to you how you express it ;). Every being is also composed of male/female energies, so why bother, if everyone is already complete by him/herself. No ofence please, I wish everyone no matter what orientation, to find their own truth along the way 😉
With all due respect to every one here, I don’t expect any human being to right at all the circumstances. We are all the product of this society and our ideas and views are tainted by the society. Given that, be it Buddha, Christ, Krishna, Marx, JK, Gandhi and Osho they all have said behaved in a particular way much better than their contemporaries but, they too have biased or discriminatory ideas on issues that are beyond understanding. It’s a matter of sheer ignorance.
I enjoyed reading these thoughtful comments from such loving and thoughtful people!
I was looking into OSHO meditation, listening to downloads thinking that this might be a wonderful meditation experience for me. Checked out the OSHO resort online (for fun- not headed to India anytime soon) and I noticed in the FAQ that you have to take a test for HIV to be allowed to stay there. If you test positive, they turn you away. Struck by a policy that seemed outdated by at least two decades, before we knew anything about HIV/AIDS, I decided to check into the possibility of homophobia and OSHA.
Very disappointing indeed for me. Did not expect it.
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I found this Quotes by him:
“accept whosoever you are. No condemnation, no judgment, no evaluation. If you are a homosexual, so what?! Enjoy it! God has made you that way. That is his way of expressing himself through you. And there have been great homosexuals” — from Socrates onwards.
“It is perfectly right, whatsoever you are. It is NOBODY else’s business. If two men feel good being together, it is nobody else’s business to interfere. No law, no government, no religion, no church, should come in. If they BOTH are happy, it is perfectly their own decision. And we want the world to be happy — and these two persons are contributing their happiness to the world by being happy together.”
“If two women feel good being with each other, the world is happier for that, better for that. Don’t make them feel guilty unnecessarily. But guilt persists — because down the ages you have been taught homosexuality is a sin; down the ages you have been taught that this is one of the greatest sins. You may be surprised to know: there have been states in America, just a hundred years ago, where the punishment for homosexuality was sentence for life. And there have been countries where one was beheaded if one was caught in any homosexual relationship. Humanity has been so stupid in the past. And we ALL carry those conditionings deep down in the collective unconscious.”
So that’s pretty puzzling to me. it seems contradictory, but maybe not, I don’t know…
If you have read more Osho, you’d have found that he took many times opposing views on everything depending of course on the questioner; so it was with homosexuality. In your case, you are sharing in this blog something that is obviously undigested by you, something you think is hurting your pride and you ask for outside support. There may something deeper at play here that you consciously are not aware of but you shall be exploring, or is in your path to explore…
Of course, you identify with being gay as far as your sexual practices go. I’m 63 and my life’s path has brought many experiences to me; my sexual orientation has been different from time to time, depending on how life treated me. Do you believe, what you feel and think nowadays is the permanent reality for you once and forever?
Osho’s role was not to fit into your views and accommodate him in your Weltanschauung, because then he would have been a pass-partout… but rather to act as someone to shake people from their comfortable cushioning, to wake up those who wanted to listen and change themselves.
And he wouldn’t try to tell you what you’d want to hear, so that he’ll be your hero!
And as it has been recorded, he did help with his presence some gay people, to see their games and to find their way to become straight.
I suggest you take a look at Jack Allanch’s OSHO, INDIA AND ME, A Tale of Sexual and Spiritual Transformation.
He published his story, there are others who having benefited from being around him and having lived in his communes, have made the transition and do not care at all to be sharing their transformation because they’re not missionaries about it.
Osho’s statements on homosexuality are uninformed and beyond hateful. Suggesting that all homosexuals should stop being so selfish and remove ourselves from society and form a commune, otherwise we were going to destroy two thirds of the world population with our diseases. The guy was obviously out to lunch. Addicted to laughing gas near the end as his followers in Oregon were plotting murder and engaging in bio-terrorism.
You obviously haven’t studied your subject and you’re rushing into conclusions there… Furthermore, I see you’re mouthing off slanders that the yellow press has invented as well as the reactionary governments who got scared because Osho was a threat to them, to their putting people to sleep. Remember, the world is governed from power hungry politicians, who’d like you -and us all- to be robots without a sense of who you are; because if you knew who you are, there’d be an instant revolution; if you knew what the organized religion and the organized politicians are doing to you, there’d be no place they could stand on!!!
Of course, you can believe anything you like, uncritically. Whatever makes you feel like you know, like you are in power, like you are in charge of your thinking and reasoning processes… but I say to you: Don’t repeat what you have not verified for yourself. “laughing gas,” my foot! Adding too many lies together does not make onw whole truth!
@Peter Horton
My information comes from Hugh Milne’s book on Osho. I have great respect for Hugh Milne and The Milne Institute.
Osho was a terrible homophobe with other defects and this fact should not be dismissed. Perhaps you should take your meditation lecture to heart.
@kyzipster
I’m sorry my friend but I run the risk of becoming sarcastic at your choice to respect Mr Milne and the Milne “Institute”.
Fine, it’s your choice to respect whomever you like. There are so many books about Osho but you seem to have chosen a slimy, sycophantic, sleazy libel.
I wish you good luck with your choises.
And there’s no blaming in this; every choice takes you SOMEWHERE, and then you move again to another place! There’s no shortage of supplies, no shortage of distance one can walk, to get SOMEWHERE! And the way is long, the lifetimes innumerable, you can just save yourself some distance by discovering a valid truth for yourself and recognise it as such. Keep your mind sane, my friend, and do not hang out with the Milneses of this world. They haven’t found it as yet, so what do you expect to find by following the lost people?
well said chickie! but he has no clue about how intense it can get between two women (ref to “He believed that two women in a relationship can’t have a very great love affair. It will remain on plain ground; deprived of heights and depths. People who are afraid of heights and depths will find it very comfortable, convenient. )
I’ll take the contrary view and state that heterosexuals will never know what “intense” is!
I have seen through these many years that nobody will accept there disablity , if u r blind u will hate people with the eyes , same is for homos , its a perversion , now u will say foot fetishism is not perversion , bestality is so good as u love animals , u simply want to get rid of ur guilt , accept it as it is dont put labels on it as good or bad , u never know where ur sexuality will take u , one day u will be foot fetish , another day incestic . Just go … Stop putting labels , stop forming unneccessary communities , stop fighting , just MEDITATE . Whoever u r man or beast , black or white , chinese or american , stop manipulating weather u r good or bad , u want to enjoy , enjoy whichever u like it . More u manipulate more u will be stressed , sex is not everything , after 70 nd before 8 yrs of age we r nor homo nor hetero ( even some r completly sexualy deprived due loss of sex organ ) , ask urself who i m , u wont here any homo or hetero word , these words r just mind games , more u speak more u r in trouble . When u meditate , there is nobody no man , no women , just…….peace nd pleasure for which u struggle so much.
When I was going through the tumultuous puberty years, I believed it’s OK to go for anybody who would have been available to me regardless of the result. As I grew up up, I realized how important it was for me and for the whole experience with the other person that I accept the person totally and that my heart is open; sex without love was totally unsatisfying and gave me regrets for the act of connecting sexually with somebody.
To enjoy the experience, it has to be a total surrender. In our times, with AIDS around, one has to be VERY VERY careful who one goes to bed with. You can’t be careless about your own or the other person’s health. ALSO, the other person must be adult and sane and responsible for their acts, so they can be willing partners.
Otherwise, it becomes an act of taking advantage over others, be that a beast, or a not fully developed person.
These are simple rules to keep; by keeping these, you can enjoy and trust yourself and what life brings for you to embrace and enjoy with.
If you haven’t been offended by something Osho says, you probably haven’t listened to him! But no need to stop the love affair….it’s time to look at what is your attachment? What is your identification? These are mind concepts that limit us in our lives. What Osho said is not as important as our reactions to what he said. If he has provoked anger….good. If he has provoked disappointment….good. Examine the source of all your reactions. This is the path to freedom.
This is very beautiful read this one.
[A sannyasin said he had a problem with his homosexuality, and he is afraid to be here.]
The first thing: heterosexual or homosexual, the answer is not in sex — so it is not the question of homosexuality. Even if you are a heterosexual, the answer is not there. Looking in the direction of sex there is no answer, so they are both the same.
The first thing: drop worrying about it! Just by being a heterosexual nothing better is going to happen — it will be the same. So accept your homosexuality just as you accept other things — hunger…. Now life’s answer is not there in eating food — every day you will feel hungry again, again full, and again hungry. The answer is not there, but that does not mean that because the answer is not there you stop taking food, otherwise you will die.
The answer is not in taking a bath, but that doesn’t mean you should stop taking a bath, otherwise you will become …
full article at.. http://swamipremarpana.blogspot.com/
parambodhi said…
i have been with osho since 1980 and it has always been my impression that osho’s comments on homosexuality changed after the aids crisis … before that he was quite positive …
after a discourse at the ranch when he said that if the gays were not willing to change we would have to leave … one swami freaked out and wrote a very angry letter to osho and we were all called in for a meeting and told that “i am not going to change what i’m saying publicly but dont take it personally”
on another occasion in 1987 i wrote to him and asked “i’m open to being with women but my sexual energy is very strong towards men and you say not to repress your desires … so what to do” his reply was “no need to be with women you be with men”
my feeling is that as a heterosexual man with no experience of homosexuality he couldn’t really understand it but he always hit at the identification rather than at the person … cheers param
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Please look into the history of the commune in the 80’s. The period of time when Sheila was in charge-and this is from people who have lived at the communes during this time–showed that he went “into silence” and some of the documents were tampered with and later Osho himself has been documented to say that she may have messed “with the tapes”. His books are really from times that he spoke–so during the time Sheila ran things–you will find that “his words” don’t quite sound like him sometimes. Especially when it comes to AIDS and similar topics, like homosexuality. She was documented to have been hysterically afraid of AIDS–it was the 80’s, so people were not yet informed. I read a book written by a former member of the commune who documented on Sheila saying that she was somewhat obsessive about protecting the commune from AIDS and became fanatical. So please, do some research on where your quotes came from. Which books? When were they printed? Were they originally printed at the time when Sheila ran things? It is worth looking into. Don’t give up on someone so easily.
I think you misunderstood Osho, what he is saying is that a man and a woman together can create a great amount of energy, energy that will make it easier to go in, a woman and woman, or a man and man relationship can never do that. It is not that Osho is against homosexuality, it is just the facts – that for great energy to be created, two polarities are needed, and biologically, that is the female and the male body. No other combination will create as much energy, and as you know, much energy is needed on the spiritual path.
Thor! Huh….
Says who that polarity is needed for the production of energy?
I don’t know about you or your (lack) of experience, but from my personal experience – two women together are COMBUSTIBLE!
xx and yy make for earth shattering energy creation – and spiritual/creative collaboration beyond par!
Too bad you misunderstood…
Hehe, I appreciate your argument, but it’s basic chemistry that polarities create energy.
Clearly, your knowledge of chemistry (and also biology for that matter – note xx chromosone)…never went beyond the “basic”. Do read up on free energy, inorganic chemistry, enthalpy & entropy when you get the chance. 😉
For the record, the oxygen molecule (O2) does not have polarity in the covalent bond because of equal electronegativity, hence there is no polarity in the molecule.
The O2 molecule represents life itself…what higher energy are we talking about???
In your attempt to defend “Osho”..(whose mind I admire for various other reasons)…you do realise you are coming across as borderline homophobic on a queer blog???!! (apart from having a rather pedestrian viewpoint on chemistry, biology and other things spiritual and scientific….). Where is your imagination??
Writing back about my earlier comment. I looked into the dates more carefully and he was intensely homophobic after Sheila left. Reports show that Sheila was obsessed with preventing AIDS while OSHO was in silence, but after she left and he came out of silence, he was very homophobic. There is no excuse for it, but I still do love Osho and understand that no one is perfect–he still has more growth. Most likely he will reincarnate and work out this issue. It seems to be his one and only issue left to work out being that he had no insight.To me, homosexuality is very natural.
I always thought Osho was bisexual or gay, it just seemed most natural based upon talks he gave. Maybe he had more to explore about himself and did have a blind spot. That being said, everything else he has ever said was total truth-and I respect that. He lived more in truth than anyone else in history aside from a few great masters down the ages (less that reported i think). It must have been a blind spot for a reason, not just ignorance–he was ignorant about nothing else really. If this was the one topic he could not see in truth, then there must be a reason. Could you imagine what it takes to live your truth out loud and have it turn out to be that you not only are you a fiercely rebellious, enlightened person, speaking fearlessly about truth…but also the first gay enlightened master the world has ever known! It is a lot to take on, so I forgive him. Even thought it is disappointing and hurts me personally, in terms of my own growth, I forgive him because no one else has ever been able to do it.
well expressed CB! I agree with you completely!
I am so tired of people using their sexuality, or lack thereof (newest trend – asexuals) to establish an identity. Here’s some facts for you, there is no such thing as gay, straight, bi, anything. Sexual energy is sexual energy, you can use it on anyone with anything, and friendship is available with any living being, even a freaking tree. So sex is free, and friendship is free. That. Is. Not. The. Point.
Trust me, Osho did not give a rats ass whether you were straight or gay, neither does anyone else.
The thing is.. There exists no such thing as gay. There are two, and only two situations where someone is exlusively gay. One is, bad experience and associations with the opposite sex leading to same-sex relationship. The second is making an identity out of it, being identified, and feeling special because of being part of a minority.
That’s it. There exists no such thing as gay, only sexual energy and expressions.
What he was saying was that it was the most _effective_ combination spiritually is a man and a woman. That’s all. That’s a fact, just like how a man and a woman can make a baby. It is simply using biologi. Doesn’t mean you have to, doesn’t mean you need to. As always, Osho gave the facts, even if it hurt people.
Now, for the last freaking time, stop behaving like your whole identity and personality as a person is that you are gay. Nobody cares, nobody goes around announcing to the world that they are straight, constantly insisting to draw attention to it. It’s ego, nothing else.
If you don’t understand that, then it is true, you will never attain to enlightenment. It is not possible as long as you identify with something.
Nobody cares who you sleep with. If that gives you freedom, then you are on the right track. If that pisses you off, then you are using being “gay” as an identity and as a way of feeling special and getting attention. That kind of identification brings with it the conflict and tensions you face.
Can somebody else enlighten this unenlightened homophobe?? I am so bored of people like Thor….
Its because of homophobes such as you, Thor, that gay people need to assert an identity – straight people don’t have to “come out” as straight because homophobes and ignorant people like you assume everyone is “straight”
“There are two, and only two situations where someone is exlusively gay. One is, bad experience and associations with the opposite sex leading to same-sex relationship. The second is making an identity out of it, being identified, and feeling special because of being part of a minority.” – Thor
You must be out of your mind!! Its very unfortunate if YOU were the victim of a bad / abuse relationship – my full sympathies. However, I am not. And neither are my lovely (and gay) lady friends.
And no – we wouldn’t need / have to make an identity of it – but neither are we going to keep quiet when ignorant homophones like you wax eloquent and claim we don’t exist.
Nobody likes being part of a minority, or indeed would like to wear their minority status as a batch. They do so precisely to respond to clowns like you!
You are an illusion Thor. You donot exist. You are not real. And guess what – no one cares a #$$@!!!
Very honestly, I (and most gay girls)…are not in the least bit interested in sexual/romantic relations with a man – anymore than a straight man is interested in sexual relations with another man! We were born this way (refer Lady Gaga) (social identity may have made us “settle” for opp sex at some stage)..but having found ourselves, we know (and accept) who we are! Unlike people like you with convoluted sexuality (who sit and wax eloquent on gay forums all day long…) – too scared to embrace / accept their own latent gay desire!
If you have researched this beyond a pleb, you will know that those that DENY the existence of gays and act homophobic – are closeted homosexuals themselves!
refer: Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay
http://t.co/EcilhSJ
Since you are intensely homophobic and spend your time on gay blogs – in denial of the existence of gays – it all adds up Thor. You are GAY – You are purest Gay Boy I know Thor . Gay Thor!!! I do feel sorry for any abuse you may have suffered that has reduced your EQ to the level of zero. And do hope you get laid soon (by a boy ofcourse!).
What is your twitter handle? let me make you famous on Twitter! You should be #1 on this list:
https://twitter.com/#!/homophobes
Giving homophobes the attention they’re looking for. #ThinkBeforeYouTweet. Find something homophobic? Tweet to @homophobes!
I am infact starting a petition on Twitter – for you to get laid Thor. Please retweet everyone – Thor needs some gay action – quick!
Haha.. i’m not sure how to say this but… My whole post you just responded to, was about how, there is no such thing as straight or gay, just sexual energy, that can be expressed to whomever you want. Not so many hundred years ago, it was considered normal to have sex with animals – now it’s taboo – are you saying anyone who finds the idea disgusting is a zoo-ophile? I find it quite funny that you call me gay, because you assume I don’t like being called gay. I went to college, I had my experiments, i’ve been with a guy, I prefer to be with girls, but, I don’t care. Sex is sex. I can get turned on by both sexes – why? Because sexual energy is -energy- it has nothing to do with what we think about it. It’s like rain. Some people love the rain because it waters their fields and give them good harvest, other people hate the rain because it falls in their face when they bike to work – but rain is neutral. It just is. What you make of it, is your own responsibility. It’s on you.
It’s funny that you say that nobody likes being part of a minority – people actively seek out minorities to strengthen their identity, it’s basic psychology – “us vs. them”. All the small cult-like sects of Christianity for example, there is a huge identity in being different, in being the ones “Other people are against” it is an immense amount of attention and energy.
I have no problems accepting my latent gay desires, and if some day I feel like it, I will do it – and I will do it without spending the next three years of my life letting everyone know that I am a BI-SEXUAL NOW, AND I WILL NOT BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST — blahahahhaa. I don’t know how much you know about spirituality, commenting on a post concerning Osho, judging on your sporadic, overly sensitive responses and use of exaggurated adjectives, i’m going to assume you don’t know much about it, but if you did, you’d know seeking identities in labels like gay or bi or straight for that matter, is nothing but a substitute for knowing your true self, your real being. Naturally, that is infintely MORE than who you choose to have SEX WITH. I mean really, how childish is it to make a big deal out of that? Is your life all about sex? Is that your emotional maturity? You brought up EQ. Maybe you should look into it.
You can call me gay all day, it’s fine with me, and when you are a gay person calling me a homophobe because your argument is weak, well, then you become something much, much worse. I may be a homophobe, but you, you will always be a cliché.
Ofcourse, identity is much more than who you have sex with. But denial of identity is homophobia – and such denial warrants an equal and opposite reaction (as per physics – if you read any)
Philosophy has several schools of thought – just because I don’t subscribe to your school of thought, doesn’t mean I don’t know enough about it.
History (if you read any) is witness that those who LIKE being part of a minority are indeed a MINORITY.
I am cool with being a cliché (in your eyes) and in the eyes of (well meaning?) homophobes such as you.
I wish you all the best. GAY Thor. :))
Heh, and there you have it. At the end of the day somebody who’s only resemblance of an argument is “You disagree with me, you’re a homophobe”.
Case closed.
LOL. I would let others read and judge for themselves if you are or aren’t a homophobe.
I can see you are.
worse, you know you are. How will you escape yourself?
In all honesty I did think this would be harder, you seemed pretty eloquent at first but I guess the cat is out of the bag. There is no point in pushing this any further, as you say, people can judge for themselves.
Dear Thor
I appreciate the back handed compliment. But, there has to be a certain level of discourse for me to continue an eloquent argument.
You did demonstrate a fleeting spark – but couldn’t hold it, unfortunately.
Enough said.
But dear,
Osho is beyond min, beyond homosexuality and heterosexuality.
If you start listen to the silence, between the words, tears can fall from your eyes.
Osho tried to tell about the things witch you cant tell about. It is in his silence the miracle is.
Do you dare to listen to his silece?
i do. i listen to his silence… and his words when i am craving for some silence within.
love is beyond all reasons. you are absolutely right in pointing that out.
thank you for dropping by and waking me up.
Chicklet….i am a man.
i felt the same way .
and i have homosexual feelings at times
and i dont want to judge them
nor i have any prejudice that my sexuality should move towards women as straight
sometimes i behave straight not that i should but on my own
sometimes i behave gay but i do judge it as when i see gay men’ feminity like they r behaving like girls i am afraid i wont turn into them as completely gay may be.
I was already afraid of this thing and i come to seek freedom from the attitude of fixation.
but somewhere i dont want it . coz i see the straight ones like the complete straight ones who were never into any desire or faced the fears of encounter with gay are more innocent and free of this struggles of identies .
i know what i am how i behaves and i know too that everything will be good if i get comfortable with myself whatevr i feel
but there is someone too that pretends to be me too who dislike their feminity ,
can anybdy help ??
And what about your love then? What was it really?
i think you ar over judgeing Osho just by looking at something that you took out of context, i you trully want to understan what Osho is trying to give to You here read the whole text:
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Shiva-Shakti/osho_on_homosexuality.htm
and then you’ll see that Osho is pro homosexuality now that it is in existance, for parades and for freedom
what he is talking here is something deeper, much deeper, metaphysical, about the polarities in energy, creative Life energy, and no, I’m not talking about sex as the thing that creates life, sex is just matter it doesn’t exist without the other, it’s the energy that creates both matter and antimatter, material and subtle body and Life itself, it is All That Is
be happy, and Love
Question – Osho, I am Homosexual. What should I do About it?
Osho – Ramo, It is good that you have confessed it. It is good that you are truthful about it. It is good that you are not hiding it, because whenever you expose yourself in totality, it is the beginning of a transformation. Don’t be worried. One has to go beyond sex one day, whether it is homosexuality or heterosexuality or bisexuality — it does not matter much. Sex is sex, these are only preferences, differences of liking. Don’t feel much guilty about it, and this is not your fault.
Homosexuality has come into existence because of repressive measures, because of repressive moralities, because of thousands of years of separating man and woman into separate camps. In the colleges, in the schools, in the army, in the monasteries — everywhere men and women are kept apart. The natural outcome is going to be homosexualism, lesbianism, because the natural energy will try to find out some outlet.
Homosexuality is a byproduct of your so-called religions. The first homosexual must have been born in a monastery, that is almost certain. We don’t know his name, but a memorial should be made dedicated to the unknown — the first homosexual. He must have been a monk.
It is a well known fact that Christian monasteries, Buddhist monasteries have been full of homosexuality. It was bound to happen because you don’t give them the science of transcending sex, and you simply tell them to repress the energy. Now the energy starts moving into perverted ways.
And don’t take offense at the word perversion. It simply means unnatural, it simply means not as it was prescribed by the biology. The biological route is heterosexual. If you prevent it… It is like a small stream is flowing: you put a rock in its way, it will start flowing from some other side, it will go by passing the rock, it will become two streams instead of one. You can go on preventing it and it will go on splitting into many streams. It will find out some way. It has a source of water that has to be taken to the ocean.
Don’t be worried about it, because worrying won’t help. Accept it. Just as repression has created it, a deep acceptance can dissolve it. Accept it. You are a victim of a thousands of years conditioning.
Friendship is born at the moment when one person says to another, “What! You too? I thought I was the only one.”
People go on hiding it, but sooner or later you have to find out somebody, and there are ways how homosexuals indicate. They walk differently — they may not say, but they walk differently. They look differently, they talk differently, their gestures are different, and other homosexuals immediately understand the language. And it is not a small minority, remember. Ten percent people all over the world are homosexuals. Out of ten, one person is a homosexual; it is a big number. And this is increasing every day, because the women’s liberation movement is creating lesbianism. “Why depend on men, even for love? Sisterhood is beautiful. Love your sisters.” The natural outcome will be that many brothers will be left alone.
The new bride, frustrated by her groom’s indifference, could not contain herself anymore. “Listen,” she said, “if you are gonna keep on reading these newspapers, I am going downtown to get myself a man.”
“Far out!” he said. “Would you get me one too?”
A homo and a hetero went into the desert.
“Ah,” said the horny hetero, “even if there was a fly here, I could screw it.”
“Z-z-z-z,” replied the homo.
In a bar two homosexuals are drinking their martinis with chips and olives. Suddenly one of them pricks his lip with the toothpick. At the sight of the blood he exclaims, “Ah, my, I have got my period.”
A little bit perverted, but so what. Nothing to be worried, Ramo. Accept it. My fundamental principle is acceptance — tathata. Whatsoever is the situation, you accept it. From there things can begin. Don’t reject it. It is out of rejection that the problem has arisen, so only with acceptance… Relax into it and you will be surprised. If you can accept it without any guilt, slowly slowly your homosexuality will turn into heterosexuality again. Why? — because guilt is also a religious phenomenon, and homosexuality too.
They are joined together, they are tied together. If you go on feeling guilty, you will remain homosexual. Drop the guilt, accept it. Nothing is wrong, just you are carrying the whole ugly past of humanity. What can you do? You have come a little late, people have preceded before. They have dirtied the whole beach. So we have to clean it.
But what is the point of crying and weeping and feeling guilty? There is no need to waste energies in that. Accept it with no guilt at all. And with the disappearance of the guilt you will be surprised: if you are a Christian your Christianity disappears; if you are a Jew your Judaism disappears; if you are a Hindu your Hinduism disappears. This is really a miracle: when the guilt is dropped your religions disappear. And when religions disappear you become a far more natural being. You can start seeing things clearly. In fact, what you are seeking into the other man, you cannot find in him. There will be frustration. What the other man is trying to find in you, he cannot find in you; there will be frustration.
Friendship is possible, but love is not possible, and friendship and love are different dimensions. Friendship has its own beauty. Love needs polar opposites, only then there is attraction, only then there is tension enough. Love needs a subtle dialectics, it is a process of dialectics. The man and woman relationship is a dialectical process full of hazards, adventures, fights. It is a kind of intimate enmity. In the morning the fight, in the evening the love, in the morning again the fight, and it goes on moving from one polarity to the other.
But this is how it keeps itself alive. It is Hegelian dialectics: thesis, antithesis, synthesis, and again synthesis becomes the thesis. Just the other night you had reached to a treaty, a peaceful state, and in the morning it disappears. And you were thinking, “Now, things are going smooth.” But from the same point, in the morning the argument starts, and by the evening the same point leads you to lovemaking.
In fact, unless you fight before, you will not be able to make love really, tremendously. A good fight before making love gives you zest, gusto — just a good fight and you become hot; otherwise, civilized people have become cool. Just a good fight — shouting, throwing things, exchange of pillows, and then relaxing into each other in the warmth of each other. The fight creates the distance. The farther away you are — it is a kind of mini-divorce, then comes a mini-honeymoon.
It can’t happen in a homosexual relationship. That’s why homosexuals are called gay; there is no dialectics, they are always smiling. But their smile seems to be shallow; it cannot be very deep. They are smiling because there is not any possibility of tears, and they understand each other. They are both men or both women, so they understand each other. With understanding there is no fight. A man and woman never understand each other, they cannot. If they understand, immediately all is finished, they both have become Buddhas.
I love Osho. But I swear – he sounds like a real homophobe!
Possibly – gay – and in denial. Internalized homophobia at its finest best!
Blissfulness is a myth! Find yourself a member of the opposite sex and love them nonstop, thats where the real heaven is. Dont believe the books, keep sexing as much as your body permits!!
Sex will only satisfy low conscious people, for anyone else, it simply becomes empty after awhile. Love? Love is good, but not without awareness, without awareness love simply becomes attachment, which becomes dependence, which becomes pain. The pain then destroys the love, and all you have left is misery.
Awareness without love simply becomes dry.
In another perspective, love is good when you are with someone, but when you are alone, and you will always have times when you are alone, you will still be tormented by your mind, that’s why awareness is needed.
So both love and awareness is needed. Sex? Sex is fun, but if you expect it to fulfill you, you’re in for a painful reality check.
but sex does fulfill me thor. and once i am full and am filled…i move on to other things that line up my days..or nights.. 🙂 ..oh wait..maybe i am low conscious then..tut! poo me…awwww… heeheehee!!! 🙂
love yourself be your own master …………..osho is a master but his views can be personal he was human to be your own ideal
ey guys check out this page about OSHO, he explains more about homosexuality
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Shiva-Shakti/osho_hate_homosexuals.htm
in my opinion i think he was a brilliant man 🙂
The reason i am commenting is because the guy felt hurt by Osho’s words.I cannot and shouldn’t try to interpret Osho’s words but nonetheless would like to share my views on it.
i myself is a big fan of him and have turned to his words whenever I felt down.I guess a person who have read Osho from the age of nine knows better about him than me. Osho contradicts himself many times (which leaves me confused at times)but his central message remains the same, as the author says ”life in simple terms; a little dance, a little music, a little playfulness, a little laughter and a little love.”
Anyway would like to sahre a link, hope that would give a better perspective.
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Shiva-Shakti/osho_on_homosexuality_acceptance.htm
An expert from the talk:
”It is perfectly right, whatsoever you are. It is NOBODY else’s business. If two men feel good being together, it is nobody else’s business to interfere. No law, no government, no religion, no church, should come in. If they BOTH are happy, it is perfectly their own decision. And we want the world to be happy — and these two persons are contributing their happiness to the world by being happy together.”
Beautiful…
Thank you for sharing this Neel.
Chicklet i hope you check this link , i saw this one today only .. just now .
ANYBODY WHO SEES THIS POST , CHECK THIS ONE .
http://www.osho.com/en/highlights-of-oshos-world/aids/
What crap! I know I only care about women and that men don’t even come close. I know what I feel. I grew up in a normal family with normal parents and normal siblings. I had equal number of male and female friends. Who says I feel gay because of my situation? There is no situation in the first place!!!! grrrrr!
The bit that you posted doesn’t really show Osho saying homosexuality is a disease. It just his opinion (though I myself believe it is wrong) on why homosexuality happens. I doubt in his time he would have had the knowledge that it’s a part of our chemical make-up, so he’s just taking a stab in the dark (and it’s not too unreasonable of a stab seeing as many instances of homosexual relations do happen in places where only one sex is held) I’m sure that much of homosexuality in society itself was hidden, so the only time it was observed more frequently were in those special situations where it was only one sex of people in a group. I am aware that after his arrival in America he changed his stance on homosexuality and shunned it, but earlier on in his life he was all for homosexuality. I think his shunning of it just shows how men can become jaded and polluted. (as a side note, I have been led to believe that Osho held some rather anti-Semitic thoughts as well.) Here’s a link with a bit of Osho that shows at one point in his life he condoned homosexuality as something that was “strange” but natural if you as the homosexual individual thought it was.
http://swamipremarpana.blogspot.com/
You can’t really condemn Osho completely for one aspect of his philosophy that you disagree with. When you make your own personal philosophy you often have to cherry pick from many different sources until you find some code or creed that you can live by. Take Socrates for example: he was a brilliant philosopher, had a number of intriguing points that we still talk about in nearly every philosophy class, and was also a complete misogynist (one that fears, distrusts, or hates women). In spite of his apparent misogyny, he is still hailed as a great thinker with many valid points. But he obviously is not perfect as he becomes a hypocrite when he does not apply his beliefs to women. That’s obviously wrong, so many people just leave the misogyny out and modify his beliefs to include women (this is why you’ll see modern-day, female philosophers incorporating pieces of his philosophy in their own) It’s all about cherry picking until you find something that works for you. I’m convinced all of philosophy that has ever existed has been just a bunch of people synthesizing already existing ideas and incorporating changes or new ideas (be they slight or drastic)
I suggest all of you to read the book “My life in Orange” Growing up with the Guru, by Tim Guest
Osho says a lot of things, he ,always provokoes everything. Hes not intresred in what you think jus, about you. You leave him after his opinon aboout homosexuality that shows something about you. Cant you feel him????? It does not have anything with words …
You dont feel his spirit.
Osho just said his own idea about why homosexuality arose.
Here is an article, read it and you will see he was not homophobic at all.
Even if he said homosexuality wasn’t natural in some of his sermons, that doesn’t mean he hated homosexuals. He wanted everyone to do what would make them happy.
20 January 1988 am in Gautam the Buddha Auditorium
Question 1
BELOVED MASTER,
EVERY TIME YOU CALL HOMOSEXUALITY A PERVERSION, EVEN THOUGH YOU DO NOT
CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALS, I FEEL HURT AS I AM A GAY. I HAVE TRIED TO LOOK, TO WATCH,
TO MEDITATE ON IT BUT STILL MY FEELINGS, MY LOVE GO NATURALLY AFTER MEN. SINCE
BEING WITH A MAN I LIKE AND TRUST, I HAVE FELT SILENCE AND HAPPINESS. BUT IT IS
DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT MYSELF TOTALLY JOYFULLY.
BELOVED MASTER, HOW CAN I LIVE THESE MOMENTS WITHOUT FEELING PERVERTED?
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING TOTALLY ACCEPTED BY YOU AND NOT BEING
CONDEMNED?
Hi Chicklet, I got here out of a coincidence and found your article very interesting. I, like you, have loved Osho very deeply and for years also struggled with some of his views. Specially regarding homosexuality, but not exclusively. I am bisexual myself… and mexican, and sannyasin, and young, and… This is my point. It took me many years to realize that Osho is really not in favor or against anything. He is a madman, he is a master. And he will do everything he can to make me see that my mind is attached to some label(s) and is in fact pro something or against something. What I am saying is: Yes, be disappointed and hurt and bewildered and… Watch! He will contradict himself, he will say incoherent stuff, just to get me out of my confort zone and he does it quite well.
He also said this: “You are attracted to women: perfectly good. Go deep into relationship with women. If you make an anxiety out of it you will not be able to go deep in relationship with a woman. If you go deep in relationship with women, my understanding is that sooner or later you will find that this relationship cannot be very fulfilling, because two women are alike. And a relationship needs a certain tension to be fulfilling, a certain polarity to be fulfilling. Two women in love, or two men in love, will have a good relationship, but it will not be very spicy. It will be a little dull, monotonous, a little boring. But if you go deeply, only then will you become aware of these things. Your anxiety will not allow you to go deep, and then your whole life you will remain interested and attracted towards women. My approach about all problems is that if anything is there, go deeply into it, so either you find the treasure, if it has any treasure, or you find that it is empty. In both cases you are enriched. If you find the treasure, of course you are enriched. If you find it is empty, you are finished with it.” Osho
Hope you find the same peace and amusement I have, in the exact moment I realize that I have a mind and my mind likes to classify, structure and define itself. <3
LOL, i found it hilarious when I read it. I was reading the Book of Woman and I was all “felling love” thowards me and then, a slap in the face with the gay thing! WTH Osho, anyway, I DID felt a little betrayed but the first chapters had already set their goal on me and I was feeling trully happy, and I learnt that many of his thoughts didn´t fit on me so I skip parts I wasn´t totally agree with, plus it was written years ago, no?
Sex is the lowest for of energy our consciousness or soul has. All homosexuals AS WELL as all heterosexuals must transend sex all together through meditation. The deeper you get into a homosexual releationship, you will eventially transend your homosexualiaty. Give yourself to your homosexualiaty, AND MEDITATE. You will transend it. All gay people AS WELL as all streight people MUST transend sex, and the way to do that is to go deeply into the releationship AND MEDITATE. Homosexualiaty is just the same as hetersexualiaty, it must be transended through your own doing. Meditate, and give your self to your lover.
I am not a proponent for LGBTQ nor am I a homophobe nor am I a great fan or fan or anything of Osho’s. I recently bought his books to see what he is about. I will say in some ways he is right. When I first read gay literature, and even now I like yaoi genre in Japanese anime a lot, I think my ideas had been a bit different. Now, they have evolved a bit more and I say most notions of homosexuality and even heterosexuality are propagandist. A bisexual person I once talked to and even Nivedita Menon had very different ideas of being “queer” which is not at all persistent with traditional, liberal ways of looking at queer people, Firstly, queerness is not only a phenomenon related to a person’s attraction towards same-sex people pr love of same-sex people. It is a multitude of different feelings, ideas and experiences. Menon and that person actually agreed with this (that is why the person being bisexual or more gay if I am correct did not support LGBTQ).
Heterosexuality is not only about child rearing and giving birth and all those things and so when Osho says that homosexual relationships are more understanding between men but women will never truly love another as they know each other too much I was like “ok, that sounds a bit weird as in a bit incomplete”. I know that relationships between different genders and sexes is necessary and that only polarizing it as sexual and nonsexual is both a problem of homosexuality and heterosexuality. I think that is why I agree with him to that extent that there are manufactured ways of looking at sexualities and that if there is a heteronormative there is also a homo-normative. I see it in the easy uses of the word “feminine” and “masculine” and what not. A free thinker will not easily use words like that. Remember we are always living a dichotomous world and that for some people being gay may be a stage of attraction that comes and goes and not really what they want. But our binary system has forced people in sets. I think Osho also mistaken when he says that man and women are always in turmoil and can never be friends and that creates mystery and misunderstanding to a good — he is right about that but not fully. Sometimes the best understanding and love you get from who you call the opposite sex and it may not entail sexual intercourse and childbirth. So, yes, we must look at these with an open mind. I think at times that a “monastery”, “army” or even “hostel” is more about an enivironment that is akin to that. Like a clinic can even be a school. Clubs can be akin to brothels if they systematically encourage you to do things in a similar way. Like in some clubs how date rape is so exercised because the conditions are so simulated that you are in a brothel and these men and women are your brothelites and you may do with them as you please and unfortunately they you as well. Yes, Osho should have been more articulate in his ideas. I can’t fully talk about sexualities here also. It’s brevity destroys his witty soul.
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If you know Osho then you probably also know that he was pretty tough on Poles. I am Polish. I treat his statements and jokes as a device to shake us up, to make us investigate issues we hold near and dear deeply and to wake us up . When you look at what he says this way, it is not so difficult to be at ease with it. Not that this is necessarily the right way, but that has been my experience. I recall an interview where he said something offensive & I immediately had a certain insight, completely unexpected…That’s when I started looking at his words as a device.
I also have a couple of very good gay friends & I have been observing Osho’s statements about gays. Osho is very inconsistent here. Sometimes he says positive things about homosexuals. It seems to me that often his statements would vary depending on the person he was addressing… Maybe a device too?
But wait a minute… does homophobia even exist?? Just because i think homossexualis is an ilusion, that does not mean i am AFRAID (phobia) of gays.. That doesnt mean i cant love them… and that doesnt mean i hate them either… and even if i did hate them! Arent we all hated by other people and isnt it the point we should know ourselves enough so we are imune to others hatred and “negative” criticism? In my opinion… inventing HOMOPHOBIA was just another mistake, its one more hindrance to the development of those who call themselvez gay.
Osho doesn’t tar individual gays as being diseased – he just looks deep into the core of every social phenomena, including gay love. Do you know what started the first gay relationship? WHY it started, HOW it started? From an enlightened mystic’s perspective, it’s not the same as from the perspective of a redneck stigmatizing gays just for the reason they’re different. As individuals, Osho loved gays, and always joked about them being “gay” in the sense of being the happiest people, he even joked that Jesus was gay! but individual has nothing to do with the core of the phenomenon… look deeper into it, and you won’t be hurt. You’re just reacting probably because others condemned you, but Osho is not one of them – he shows you the truth, the core, not his personal opinion… Don’t you want to know, from the perspective of an enlightened being, WHY you are the way you are? Who else will tell you? As you probably know, he makes fun and condemns lots, lots of social phenomena – (imagine how priests and politicians must have felt after being destroyed by Osho!) – for the sake of awakening people, for the sake of disillusioning us, and that’s the true gift he could have ever given to humanity, gay or straight, black or white, doesn’t matter.
It is very normal that you may feel that way. However Osho is right. You are taking it personal. Now take a look at it from a different perspective. I myself would say I am homosexual. And I have often wondered why it was something I encountered in my life. You have yet to dig deeper within yourself. It makes perfect sense that homosexuality has become a conditioning. And I absolutely agree that a major factor and contributor were priests and people hoping to repress humanities sexuality. Your love for osho still remains if you say it was as deep as it was. You are just utterly shocked. And that is bound to happen with such tremendous truth and revelation.
I was doing a research and I came across your post…the truth is that Osho was talking specifically for the individual who was asking him a question. So in many cases ha has given contradictory responses! I guess because he intended to make a strong impact on the person. So in this case he most probably wished to project the graceful femininity of this particular gay guy whos was asking this question. As far as you are concerned as a sensitive poetic playful innocent woman loving erotically other women and being in a spiritual path of love and awareness my friendly suggestion is to carry on as you feel! I’m pretty sure that Osho woyld have a good laugh and a good joke and will tickle you untill you laugh like crazy ! Loving women is as good as loving men when one’s path is love! If a woman becomes your pathway to consciousness,to your very soul so much the better! If a man does that’s great! It’s all about opening the heart, expanding the awareness and live fully the present! Namaste!
Osho is ignorant about queerness, jazz and jewish suffering.Nietzsche was ignorant in the same way about females among other things. Well done for calling him out. I suspect Osho’s view of female sexuality was pretty one dimensional and he would reject a true female Zorba, whatever her leanings.
You wanted a figure who will be scapegoat of all your actions and you found osho. You wanted him to comfort and make you feel good about yourself. But he wasn’t the right man you see.. is hitting on your preoccupations, your ideas, your so called views and all. You say that OSHO was against homosexuality . It was true in his understanding of energic body transfer. And you must know there were many homosexuals as sannyasins and many were at ease with him. Why? Because, beyond all these hitting and gurdjieff – like teaching they knew his point. As you know ” a finger pointing at the moon and you see only the finger , not the moon” thing. If you start feeling good that you’ve gone beyond common social boundaries he hits again in opposite direction. Because the whole thing is an ego thing. you, step in or out doesn’t matter, you’re still playing the whole thing again. That’s why so many contradictions….His point was not to be concerned at all. Just knowing if you are at ease or centered with your actions is all it needed. I too read and headed osho like mad for 2 years and then I dropped. But I know and feel him more than ever . Because I don’t care if he was fake are not as , far as he has helped me grow. If you haven’t been receptive then its your fault, not his. He is beyond his words .
Osho was less or more contradicting himself – on purpose. He said he’s here to confuse us. I guess you could read this, maybe you can restore some love to him :)he wasn’t attacking homosexuality and homosexuals, he just had his point of view. http://oshoonline.blogspot.com/2010/02/if-two-men-are-in-love-what-is-wrong-in.html
I have no other words to say about him. I was expecting that this gury- “philosopher” should be out of closed-mindedness and stupid taboos. I agree 100%!!!
Here is his full statement reed it 🙂
http://oshotimes.blog.osho.com/2012/06/same-sex-relationships/
you are not understanding of the human condition nor do you see us as animals trying to break free of the egocentric self.. disregard anything that is supposed to mean something from the truth. without our full purpose we do not serve our full purpose
i agree with you. i can not take a homophobic monkey serious nor consider him as a notable philosopher since he is not even a human being nor intelligent enough to understand the colors of life, to discover that the sexuality is like an ocean and can not be simplified and finally that there is more to love than man meets woman. osho, so called the free love supporter, so called the freethinker, does fall flat on his face when it comes to homosexuality. since it is prevailed among humans in the nature, maybe homophobia has nothing to do with intelligence level of the people, may be a genetic disease that will last some centuries more in the future and will one day be defeated by the mother nature. (sorry for my english)
THE RETURN TO INNOCENCE
I am a homosexual Catholic: can you help me out of my mess?
The first thing you should get out of is your Catholicism; that is the real mess.
Homosexuality is not such a big problem, it is not a problem at all, in fact. It is part of human freedom.
There is nothing wrong if two persons choose a certain style of sexual relationship; it should be nobody’s business.
But the priests and the politicians are poking their noses into everything! They create guilt in you – absolutely unnecessarily.
If two men are in love, what is wrong in it? What harm are they doing to anybody? In fact, they look happier than the heterosexuals; that’s why they are called “gay.” This is strange: I never see lesbians looking gay – they look sad, they look very serious – but homosexuals always look very gay, very sweet, really honey.
I have been wondering what is the matter, why are lesbians not so happy? Maybe they cannot enjoy nagging, which has been an eternal joy for the woman. In fact, without their nagging I don’t think anybody would ever have become religious.
All your saints are the byproduct of nagging.
All your saints should be immensely grateful to women: they have driven them to be spiritual! They did not leave any possibility for them in the world; they had to escape to the monasteries. They say they are going in search of God; in fact, they are simply going away from the wife. They were cowards.
Lesbians don’t look very happy. Something is missing, and that something seems to be they cannot torture each other. They understand each other perfectly well, and because they understand each other very well there is no mystery left.
Man lives in the head, the woman lives in the heart. The heart can rejoice only when there is something very mysterious, something like a koan: the goose in the bottle. Neither the bottle has to be broken nor the goose has to be killed, and it has to be taken out too.
The heart enjoys the mysterious; the head is not interested in the mysterious, it is interested in the puzzling, in the riddling.
Any riddle, any puzzle, and the head is interested. The approach of the head is logical.
To a man the woman is mysterious; to connect with the woman he has to come to his heart, and he lives in the head. Hence the woman always remains a trouble. He cannot understand her, he cannot explain what is happening, he cannot explain it away either. He has to live with a mystery, and that is a constant pain in his neck; it is beyond his grasp.
But with a man things are simple: both are logical. They understand the language, they understand logic, they understand mathematics, calculation. At the most the man is just a new question to be solved…not a mystery to be lived but a question to be solved; a problem which can be solved, which is not impossible to solve. That keeps them interested, that keeps them intrigued. Hence I see homosexuals looking gay. Lesbians look very sad.
And one more thing happens: homosexuals become more feminine and they start having a certain beauty, a certain “niceness” about them, a certain roundness, a grace. The lesbian becomes manly, she starts losing her feminine grace; she becomes masculine, aggressive, hard. Hence, if you were a woman it would have been a problem and I would have helped you to come out of it. But you are a man. Why bother? Why make much out of a simple thing? If you are enjoying a relationship with a man, enjoy it!
So homosexuality is not a problem. We should start looking at real problems and should not be concerned about unreal problems. There are real problems to be solved.
And this is a trick of the human mind: to create unreal problems so that you become occupied with them while real problems go on growing.
And this is an old strategy: politicians, priests, so-called religious leaders go on giving you pseudo problems to solve so that you become occupied with the pseudo.
The problem in itself is meaningless, the problem is not a problem at all, but how much fuss has gone on down the ages about homosexuality! There are countries where people are still killed for homosexual acts, murdered, sentenced to jail for their whole lives. Strange world! This is a twentieth-century world? Homosexuality is not a problem at all; there are thousands of real problems to be solved. But man has to be kept engaged with toys.
My effort is to withdraw all your attention from toys so that you can focus on the real problems of life; and if you focus on the real problems of life they can be solved.
Now, I don’t see how homosexuality becomes a problem. The only problem is your Catholicism….
Rodney, the eldest son of a respectable Boston family, announced to his shocked father that he intended to live with his swishy boyfriend on Beacon Hill.
“Damn it, Rodney,” the parent responded, “our family came over with John Winthrop, and we’ve never had a scandal such as this.”
“I can’t help it, father, I love him.”
“But for God’s sake, son, he’s Catholic!”
That is the true problem!
Come out of your Catholicism. And when I say come out of your Catholicism, I mean come out of all kinds of stupid ideologies and start living life as if you are Adam and Eve – the first man on the earth, the first woman on the earth.
Start afresh, from scratch.
Take life as easily as possible. But people don’t understand me. I say to them, “Life is a mystery. It is not to be solved but to be lived.” And somebody has asked me, “Osho, when you said that, I heard, “Life is a misery, not to be solved but to be lived.” That is up to you. To me it is a mystery, not to be solved but to be lived, but you can hear it as “misery.”
Don’t make unnecessary problems for yourself, so that your whole energy can become focused on the essential problem.
Osho, The Goose Is Out, Talk #3
It seems you don’t even understand osho and you say you were in love with him. First thing, you never loved him, love comes from harmony of hearts and you were just matching your thoughts with words of silence. Upto the point you found them according to your mindset you say you were in love. First meditate to know love, then you would feel the dance in his words which contradict to complement.
And now about homosexuality, it’s certainly a disease. A man is attracted towards a woman due to his incompleteness. A man is aggressive and a women is receptive. Both together complete the circle. But through meditation one knows his inner woman. One know her inner man. So, to complete the circle within, without dependence, with freedom. Homosexuality shows you are incomplete and in place of completing yourself through meditation, you are getting depedent on other for satisfying your needs which are never gona satisfied. Meditation destroy your needs. You get complete in yourself, in your aloneness. Neither you need a woman nor a man m, as you become needless. You are so complete within tha you just share what you have. And in that sharing you could give love a woman in its natural way. You could love a man, that too in its natural way, like two brothers love each other, not in a diseased way, but in a healthy way. And that too not because they need your love, no, just because you have plenty of it out of your completeness.
You mentioned that he said it (same sex attraction) starts and bound to happen in monasteries,army or same gender hostels. Then how fuck I got feeling for my senior boys when I was just 10 and going to school as a day scholar? (School had no hostel though).
I think you shouldn’t hate or dislike for what he’s said. Because it’s his madness to comment on something which he wasn’t and have not gone through. Just forgive him and take only which is positive and convinces you. His other works can be helpful. Let the whole world hate us, just pray God that he give some sanity to those homophobic people.
He talked of a certain percent of natural gays…just checking people to see if their homosexuality comes from past life repression. He encouraged young people to be homoerotic … How many would be for that? I feel what he says is valid tho I think gay people are brave and natural… We should be more affectionate in a bisexual manner . Which he also encouraged. He thought the world of Walt Whitman. So much homosexuality comes from repression tho…even repression of playful homoerotica in youth … osho had so many nuances that he had to use contradictory communication…
He is talking about what happens when a person separates from instinct. If you look in nature Lions only have sex with each other when a female is not around. It’s important that we look at this topic without judgment, but not ignore the facts either. Same with the famous gay penguins who were with each other until a female showed up then they competed against each other for her. Honosexuality is also a conditioning. It doesn’t happen in nature unless there is no other choice.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-16153511
Hey folks, chill!
He made himself clear: sexuality belongs to body-mind, in spiritual realm, there is no gay or straight.
He is clearly pointing out the questioner’s guilt abouy homosexuality.
Don’t take things personal folks. You misunderstood the man.
Just as homosexuals enjoy being what they are, other people might feel the very idea of homosexual relations to be nauseating. To decide to want to change any of these ways is not psychology or philosophy but politics and if one is homophobic that is just as real as being gay. The idea that all behaviours and tendecies will one day be accepted by all is fiction, just as it is the idea that homosexuality can or should be cured by whatever means.
Dear Chiklet,
Though I understand the feelings of hurt and betrayal you are experiencing, let me give you my own perspective.
Osho has also said: there is nothing wrong in homosexuality. Be aware that he is not condemning homosexuality. He is just giving his opinion on how it originated. Ultimately, both homo and heterosexuality need to be transcended in order to be liberated.
If you love Osho, you should not let his opinion on one little subject belittle his vastness. Also, he has said that he asks nobody to agree with him on all his points.
In this life, you find yourself to be a homosexual. I really believe you when you say that your greatest transformation has come as a result of you accepting yourself as just that. This is your challenge in this life.
And perhaps another great transformation is lying just around the corner..when you can accept and love somebody who doesnt share the same views that you have about something which is so personal to you.
Dont deprave yourself of Osho if you feel a love for him. He is such a blessing o have in ones life.
Much love to you!
Experience Hetero and Homo relationships deeply and then form your own truth. That’s all he is saying. Don’t get caught up with his words…experience life for yourself. It’s feels amazing to have experience both and know my truth.
The bullshit some people write in these comments is just too much for me to digest. I have to go to toilet…uf! Came back. Now, lets talk: Who are you people letting yourself to write so ignorant, intolerant and aggressive words? Homosexuality is a disease you say? So you know something more than the World Health Organization?? Oh, enlighten them! They will be so happy to listen to you! Please, dont be rude just because you lack knowledge and understanding, ok? Osho said “No man is just a man and no woman is just a woman – every man is as man as he is woman, the same as is every woman – a woman and a man.” You havent came across that? This is one of the most important things he teaches. Go out of your little bubbles, meet some LGBTQ people and then come back and write some positive and enlighted comments.
Chicklet, I can relate with you. However, perhaps every person has their flaws, so dont bother. Osho is just a human, like we all are. Forget his bullshit about homosexuality. He clearly lacks a good understanding of LGBT community and he even changes his words about homosexuality all the time. Lets just dont bother! Peace 🙂
Osho was a hypocrite. It is hypocritical to say to embrace life with its awe and fun and sex, but then say that gay desire is wrong. Gay desire is holy, too. It’s an expression of freedom. Desire is Holy! Be free! Be Yourself! Live in Honesty and allow others to do the same!
Wow homophobic new agers (or conservative atheists for that matter) are no different than homophobic catholics and evangelicals making excuses for their religions. People saying oh sex just isn’t the stuff of the spiritual you misunderstand him. Nah, I understand him just fine, Xtianity pretty much taught the exact same thing, seperation of sex from the eternal other than a family representing the trinity. Sorry but admitting that your spiritual worldview erases gays and trans people becuase you believe their existence to be purely material and therefore of no consequence of purely spiritual people IS bigotry, it IS fucked up, and it IS homophobic and transphobic AND it doesn’t represent reality. Sorry yall, life is more complicated than a binary. There’s more directions than up or down, even just in the realm of the spirit.
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I don’t love Osho no more because he hurt my feels….
If he had said that a man inserting the penis into another man’s anus is very intelligent and spiritual — better than boring heterosexual sex…. you would have kept loving him.
Newsflash for you – Osho is here to tell you the TRUTH so you can WAKE UP.
Truth hurts! I know
But without truth, you will never grow.
Osho was a master not a politician.
He tells the truth. Try to understand him, read any quotes he said about homosexuality, meditate on those words, try to penetrate their meaning.
But your attitude is childish. “Osho hurt my feelings so I don’t love him no more.”
Can you see how childish your reaction is?
Osho had many quotes about homosexuality… read all of them to draw a conclusion.
And it will hurt you.
But a friend is one who tells the truth. An enemy is one who tells you a comfortable lie.
He was a man of true nature. He never ever said to believe me or follow me. He spoke about both the sides of coin on every issue and for every talk he had only one intention is to force you on thinking rather than just believing blindly. I hope it cleared you all.
Unless one does not fall in love and go beyond love & enters in bhakti or Dhyan & realise beyond visible and enters in invisible world he can’t understand that in each sentence of osho,there are thousands secrets.Trust is the foundation for thing.I have been studying his books for the last 21 years not reading & always find new secrets when I study his same book for seventh times to solve my spiritual equation.Regards
Wow what a thread. I’m late to the convo. This ongoing conversation for so many evolving changing years and varying perceptions, emphasizes that Osho has done his Divine job and done it well. Like it or not. Love him or not.
So here’s my mumbo jumbo input: I see Osho as more a wise man of true nature than the need to define truth itself. You are your only truth. Because what is truth? Truth is really only relative to you, your pure experience. People can be a part of your experience but they aren’t your truth. No one can dictate it. Hell you are not even your truth until you dig deep enough to figure you out. Sure, truth is a conglomerate of facts but even theoretically facts are debatable. These so called facts are “accepted as true” more than what truth may or may not be. What is not debatable is that you are your own personal experience. No one else. You.
I wonder if Osho were physically alive today, how would he chime into this thread? Would he make an amended statement about homosexuality in a public speaking? Would Osho quite possibly make a statement that totally contradicts everything he said all those years ago? Possibly. He’s known for that. Would he say something you want to hear? Possibly. Would he say something that further upsets you? Possibly. Though a reflection, Osho isn’t you, yourself. He teaches you to become the truth of you by being a reflection of what you are choosing to consciously see… so let’s more so observe the juice, which is the “reaction” to the reflection of Osho that you have chosen to mirror. How you absorb or deflect anyone’s action, is your own moment of personal truth. Which can always change btw. It your decision. Yours to change. Or not. Always good to look at.
I feel that what matters is not what pleases or displeases us in what was said by Osho or anyone… the most powerful dynamic is the inner one and that’s 3 words: Who Are You?
It is so hard to answer this question with absolute certainty but you can be certain that another’s ill fitted or complimentary statements can help you to discover the answer to that. The ultimate view is solely up to you. It is important to learn or know your truth beyond the hurt. I say this because any statement that shakes you regarding homosexuality or otherwise, gives you a perfect opportunity to examine your inner authenticity – it will either dilute or strengthen your belief system. For that, Osho IS the awakening.
I try to punctuate the brilliance in Osho’s evolved consciousness more than emphasize the flaws in human statements that relate to his sheer lack of experience in this lifetime, such as the homosexual statement. There are many Teachers who say screwed up opinions. Or I try to see the agitation as a perfect teaching. A stirring to position myself with more surety of my own life experience, my own truth. Though disappointing, if something someone says does not resonate, it is not for us to internalize. We can listen to the song but we ultimately dance to what moves us. We stand still to what doesn’t.
Btw, same sex coupling (lesbian) is no less “gay” as in happy and no less energetically charged. I speak from personal experience. Totally charged chemistry within all energy, all bodies of beings that are in sync. Polarities do exist within same sex because we aren’t the same people. We are ALL different. Energy is possessed in polarity beyond gender roles. When there is attraction it is not limited to male/female body parts. Has nothing to do with this aspect of matter. Has everything to do with energy of souls and sometimes past life (karma), old etheric memory which cannot be created or destroyed to fit only heterosexual relationships. It can’t be deduced to one religious version of creation like Adam and Eve. Yes it is true that presently, life is created by a man’s sperm and woman’s egg but energy can exist with anyone and between anyone and has nothing to do with giving birth. Sexual dynamism is limitless and formless. Energy exists in pure unattached unconditional love and this is not confined to any constructs that existed before us or that will exist after us. Energy in science/physics is totally different than energy as it relates on a soul or conscious level. So if you limit your mind to physical anatomy of energy then well, that’s your minds inexperience and judgment but if you open vastly to the feeling beyond anatomy then you have transcended a greater awareness of energy on a much deeper level. Or so I believe.
Osho was physically anatomically born a man I presume so therefore, to speak on lesbian issues is not his human truth, his experience. He has never had lesbian sex. He can’t. So how can he speak on energy in such a way? He could have even experienced man to man sex (or not) but it’s hard to speak on what you do not experience first hand. Doesn’t matter who you are. He can however easily know the nature of mind which may very well be why we are all contributing to this post. What do you know to be your truth, right here and right now is what matters. The rise alone is the spark and you can choose to dissolve into the non-dual fire of life’s grand illusion or remain broken to pieces in the shattering of perception. The choice is yours. Not Osho’s. Osho is just one sublime aspect on the battered road to your own unending path towards personal enlightenment.
My Root Guru/Master was the most enlightened Man I knew but he didn’t relate or identify with a lesbian relationship with me and my girlfriend (at the time) and neither did he care. Neither we care that he didn’t relate. He cared about the transformation of our genderless minds. Helping us on the path to enlightenment. Osho’s style is different but we have to believe that the point is the same. Most Teachers like my own, like Osho push buttons and we could say I no longer love you but that isn’t always the answer. Sometimes it is but examine the totality of why you do away with love with a hurtful statement. What is it speaking for you subconsciously? Even personal intimate relationships hurt us all the time but we give them a numerous go. Time and time again. Awareness is unraveling. It can hurt but it can also heal. Bring us closer to our truth. I’m not saying love Osho. I’m saying examine the depth of what “love” truly means to you.
Being truly content with self is saying that all information and teaching along the way – from parents to friends to lovers to Osho to strangers – is beneficial because you can discern – to accept or reject. Choose to grow or to stay stagnant. To throw away or to receive. You get to make that choice.
We often quickly and naturally focus on what does not resonate more than what actually does resonate. It’s human nature to resist (especially when social, religious and political constructs are stacked against) but it’s consciousness to meditatively discern. A shred of enlightenment can be found through quiet discernment of information. To be calm enough to sit and examine the rise.
A truly great Teacher can take you beyond even his own imperfect and perfect nature… He or She not only give you their pure essence but they also give you to yourself – by whatever unorthodox methods, adversarial statements, attachment or detachments, pain or joy. Depends. It’s really up to you to become a greater version of yourself by focusing on your souls purpose without distraction yet by doing so often times in the midst of total hell of Earth, contradictions, confusion. Only then, after that deep self dive into your truth, can you be of great benefit to yourself and the infinite sea of all others.
No matter what Osho or anyone has said about homosexuality, it’s for you to learn, grow and know yourself most of all. His statement is a good catalyst for you to understand who you are. Exploring who you are will take you to a place of peace or misery. Unconsciousness or Awareness. The choice is not Osho’s. It yours. He is the charge but ultimately you hold all your own power.
This man (criminal) is a joke! He is hands down a Homophobic bigot! The truest disease of this planet is Heterosexual’s. But don’t worry The LGBT will take control, and It will be a better world.
I believe he was himself a homosexual, ironically. His views on straight relationships are just as shitty. He stands as little more than a lonely, envious hypocrite when it comes to relationships of all types. It’s best not to take relationship advice from someone that never had one. He himself was sexually suppressed, and seemed to project the notion then that all gay people must be this way. I like most of what he says, as long as it isn’t a discourse on romantic relationships. He definitely seems to have issues with—getting it. He’s quite overrated as far as wise men go.
I write this from a spiritualists perspective and its only of value to other spiritualists. I felt the same, thought about abandoning my fascination for Osho over this.
Especially when Sadghuru had a more neutral view. But a reaction like this, a disappoinment, an offense taken, etc is as bodily and mundane as the majority of nonspiritual people. The phenomenon why people behave as they do is because People usually dont evaluate themselves critically. even many spiritual dont do this, and assume their mere existance defines whats ok …-they-… and everybody else is an “enemy” once not agreeing. In tis case this complex and selfrighteous human mechanism centers around something as low as the lowest chakra. Sex. Something we learn it to be the greatest quality in life. A hype so important it is everywhere. The Lgbt being averagely just normal folks shares this exaggerated craze just as the rest of people. So it comes to no surpise those who refuse differnt sexual orientations hold sex in a high regard too. If sex were depicted just as a side aspect of life, no giant drama and hostility would be unleashed over it. And no offenses would be taken. how can it be we obsess over a side aspect of life… placing it in the center. In oshos case thats easy to comprehend. Lots of his teachings were about hedonism and amusement. So it should be understandable HE of course had harsh opinions on this – while for or against doesnt play a role. He was one to whom it was important… so he took a position. We couldve counted 1 plus 1 and at least have had a suspicion but we closed the eyes . But its out and it is an opportunity to grow, once the disciple disagrees with the teacher. And time to do better. But “better” is the next trap. Because its not about right or wrong. Its about evolving . When i evolved from lesbian to pansexual and tried to discuss my reasons being that people are neutral energies so i love them all and wonder why the vast majority of the sprituals remains monosexual, i got the check served. My own community, my home for 2 decades, shocked me with something thats obvious but i had not wanted to see it. They were as unwilling to question something regarding themselves as those we had been valled enemies for two decades… now i was the enemy for overcoming narrow views taboo to bring up withinthe lgbt… So to distinguish people into alllies and foes is no constant. A person is mainly on their own side so a group is an illusion.
Hence the main practice should be how to no longer take offense. Osho has at least a complex set of reasons for his point of view.
Its challenging to comprehend and overcome the instinct to refuse someone but very beautiful of an experience too.
you never understood Osho
His views on homosexuality, like everything else was contradictory. Osho was a true master and his job was to keep you questioning, inwards and outwards. Don’t take his words on face value, rather use it as an opportunity to go deep. He has said words, in support of homosexuality and controversial statements too. Osho is a controversy, it’s his art. Appreciate it.